Email antigo 2

Esse foi um outro e-mail trocado com meu amigo Hiroshi da aizenen sobre alguns aspectos da Oomoto. Naturalmente as explicações dele são com base nas explicações da Oomoto que acredito que em alguns pontos é diferente daquilo que MS ensina, é interessante como conhecimento geral, mas vale a leitura dos Ensinamentos de MS para confirmar as informações.

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Hello Francisco,

Thank you for your patience.

> contragratulations for yours web site :)

Thank you for saying so.

I am happy to know that you seem interested in Onisaburo and his teachings.

As you may know, Onisaburo's Omoto has now divided into three sects -- Oomoto, Oomoto Shinto Rengo-kai, and Aizen-en. I'm a member of the Aizen-en and therefore, my view is based on the group's view.

The Aizen-en was formed to re-evaluate Onisaburo and his teachings based on his Reikai Monogatari--the only and most important scripture Onisaburo designates.
http://aizenen.info/en/

Thus, what I say and what the Aizen-en says are different from the other two sects in the interpretation of Onisaburo and his teachings.

> 1) I read somewhere that Onisaburo before oomoto was from an inari sect is that true ?

You mean an inari sect with Mr. Katsutate Nagasawa? Right after his spiritual awakening on Mt. Takakuma, the Kami instructed Onisaburo to go to that sect in Shizuoka, so he did.

There Nagasawa's mother gave Onisaburo the things that Mr. Chikaatsu Honda asked her to give a young man who would visit her residence in 10 years.

Because of this association, the young Onisaburo was sometimes misunderstood, but he never initiated or belonged to an inari sect.
[F.Y.R]
http://aizenen.info/en/od/ch.html

> 2) You said the Onisaburu is the "encanation" (or something like that)
> of Kamususanowo no Mikoto, but I've never see that comment before
> could you confirm that information and where u obtained it?

This is from various parts of the Reikai Monogatari, especially Volume 47. (Too bad no English language version is available.)

According to the esoteric Japanese science of kototama, the Creator is called Kamususanowo. But of course, this Creator is the same as God, Allah, etc. in different religions under different names.
[F.Y.R]
http://aizenen.info/en/az/ks.html

> 3) You means the Kamusussanowo no Mikoto like creator and saivior, but
> as well I know, this is the mission of Ookunitokotachi no Mikoto and
> Ushitora no Kunjin, so the Mizu spirit is like an god-wife, is like
> this or no ?

Ookunitokotachi is another name for Kamususanowo. Ookunitokotachi is also another name for Mizu Spirit. Ushitora no Konjin is also called 'Kunitokotachi.'

As you can see, there is a slight difference between 'Ookunitokotachi' and 'Kunitokotachi.' 'Ookuni' means the 'universe' while 'Kuni' means 'Earth.'

Ushitora no Konjin is a portion of Ookunitokotachi. To support Ushitora no Konjin's reign, Ookunitokotachi dares to take a lower position as his wife and help him.

> 4) I read somewhere the headquarters of the ushitora no Kunjin was in
> israel, is that true ? Do you have some more details about the time of
> the Ushitora (before his death)?

It's in Jerusalem, but in those ages of the gods, the site of Jerusalem, according to the Reikai Monogatari, was in Asia Minor (current Turkey)
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The Reikai Monogatari says that in the age of the gods 350,000 years ago, Jerusalem was in the east of what is now called Asia Minor, Turkey, facing Armenia longitudinally. (Erzurum is the ancient Jerusalem, the site of Kuni-toko-tachi's reign?)
http://www2.plala.or.jp/wani-san/whatsnew2.htm
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Sorry, but this is all I know about this subject :-(

> 5) I read somewhere that susanowo no mikoto was the material god (as
> well the jewish origin) is that true ? do you have some more
> information about that ?

Yes, Susanowo no mikoto was a material god as Onisaburo says. But, as Onisaburo says, Susanowo no mikoto and Kamususanowo no mikoto are extremely different. Susanowo no mikoto was just another manifestation of Kamususanowo (Creator).

Onisaburo says that manifestations of Kamususanowo in the past, for example, were Buddha, Jesus, Confucius.etc. And this is why Onisaburo claims that Buddhism,
Christianity, Confuciunism, and Shito (but not State Shinto) share the same roots.

Sorry again, but this is all I know about this subject :-(

Should any other questions arise, just feel free to ask me again.

Many thanks,
Hiroshi

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Hi Francisco,

Thank you for waiting.

> I read somewhere in 1929 by the ocassion of the spring festival near
> the Biwa lake, Onissaburu wrote "The lake's water be fourios and go to
> sky" or something like that, do you have any records of that ?

Another member says there are similar accounts by Onisaburo's aides (but not Onisaburo himself) that may match the above. But he says he needs more specific info to pin down. For example, is the 'spring festival' equal to 'Grand Miroku Festival (Miroku Taisai)' ? Or is this what Mr. Mokichi Okada says?

> by the way do you have any version of the Monogatari in English (or
> Portuguese) ?

I'm sorry we don't. Onisaburo says that the Monogatari is a book of kototama (esoteric science of mystical power believed to reside in spoken words of the Japanese), stressing the importance of reading it in the original language.

Another reason is that as Onisaburo says, the Monogatari is dictated in a way that enables multiple interpretations. In fact, the scripture is filled with ambiguous sentences that can be interpreted in many ways. Because of this, translating it into other languages would not be possible and better left intact. (Of course, we can make summaries of each volume in many languages, though.)

> An other doubt, I don't saw any references about Nao on the site... why
> this ?

I understand what you mean, but of course we don't make light of Foundress Nao.

Well, the re-formation of the Aizen-en was triggered by Oomoto's tendency to overly deify Nao and dismiss Onisaburo as a thing of the past. (I don't mean to speak ill of other religions.) If you go to Oomoto, you will know that they read Nao's Ofudesaki a lot, but they don't read Onisaburo's Monogatari as much.

The Reikai Monogatari says that Onisaburo is ranked above Nao. Since Omoto's attitude is still prevalent even today, the Aizen-en keeps trying to emphasize the importance of Onisaburo, and this is partly a reason why we don't make many references about Nao.

Nao realized that Onisaburo was Miroku no Okami manifested in Taisho 5 (1916). Nao's Ofudesaki writings until this realization are, as the Monogatari says, partial and imperfect because until then Nao saw Onisaburo as just a lower deity. In this respect, as the Monogatari says, Nao's Ofudesaki cannot be considered as the scripture. But, Onisaburo later selected good portions of Nao's Ofudesaki and compiled them as Omoto Shin'yu (Omoto Revelation), and it is included in Volume 60 of the Monogatari. So, Nao's writings live on in Onisaburo's Monogatari.

I'm happy you are interested in Onisaburo!

hiro N.

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Hi Francisco,

> I read somewhere in 1929 by the ocassion of the spring festival near
> the Biwa lake, Onissaburu wrote "The lake's water be fourios and go to
> sky" or something like that, do you have any records of that ?

We are pretty sure that the above refers to an article from "Shingetsu no Kage," a collection of what believers heard from Onisaburo. (So, this is not what Onisaburo wrote by himself.)

The article titled "Shiga is a model of the Jewish nation" says: In Showa 7 (1932) or 8 (1933), Onisaburo wrote: "The lake's water be fourios and go to sky." In those days, the water was so rough on Lake Biwa (Shiga Prefecture) that it capsized some boats and it also turned red.

Regarding this, Onisaburo said, "It was a battle between dragon-deities of Japan and those of the Jewish nation. Koshu (Shiga) is a model of the Jewish nation, and unless this place opens (unfolds), the world will not open (unfold)." After that, Onisaburo instructed his believers to go around the lake chanting Omoto's Kihon senden ka (Baisc Exaltation Chant).

> And do you have any other records about Mokiti Okada and Onissaburu ?

I regret to say this is about all we have.
Mr. Mokiti started his own religious activities at a very early stage of Omoto's history, and this is why we don't have much info about him left.

Many thanks,
hiro N.

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Hi Francisco,

> In the Shingetsu na Kage it was an picture of that scripture of
> onisaburu "The lake's water be fourios and go to sky." I'm very
> couriouse to see it.

I'm afraid there's no picture of it.
I said there was a reference (in Japanese words) to that episode.

> If shiga was the model of Jewish nation, there is any chance of the
> headquarters of Kunitokotachi no Mikoto be in that region instade
> lower Asia and Turquia ?

Maybe and maybe not.The concept of 'kata' (models) is very complex. Models of certain things vary, depending on time, place and rank.

In other words, it is probably safe to say that Shiga in those days was just one model of the Jewish nation. There were probably many other models of the Jewish nation somewhere else. And it is also possible that Shiga is no longer a model of the Jews today.

We rely on the Reikai Monogatari, and as I said before, the Monogatari says Kunitokotachi's sanctuary was in Asia Minor.

About the fall of Kunitokotachi's reign, see the summary of Vol. 4:
http://www2.plala.or.jp/wani-san/briefsummary0.html

> What Onisaburu say about jewish people ? Could be the Amawakahiko's
> headquartes in lower Asia and turquia, and the rebelion started there
> ?

Onisaburo says Jewish people are good people.

///// Israelites Came to Ancient Japan?! /////
http://www2.plala.or.jp/wani-san/whatsnew2.htm#israelites

About Amawakahiko, I don't know. I don't think there is any reference to that kami in the Monogatari.

Many thanks,
hiro N.

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Hello,

> In the paragraph "There are two distinct lines of kami in Omoto: one
> is the divine line of henjo-nanshi ("having the male soul in the
> female body"; best illustrated by Foundress Nao), and the other, the
> divine line of henjo-nyoshi ("having the female soul in the male
> body"; best illustrated by Onisaburo). The former is to the latter
> what John the Baptist to Jesus the Christ"
> witch deity is henjo-nanshi once both have male body ? It is not like
> Jesus and his mother Mary ? could you verify that for me ? :)

It would be safe to say that the terms "henjo-nanshi" and "henjo-nyoshi" are used to describe Nao and Onisaburo. So these phrases are really Omoto terminologies.

Henjo-nanshi acts like John the Baptist in the case of Christianity, and henjo-nyoshi acts like Jesus the Christ. In other words, Foundress Nao is like an usher until Onisaburo shows up.

The Monogatari doesn't say about Jesus' mother Mary, so I'm afraid I
don't know.

Many thanks,
hiro N.

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